The commenter “anon” on this thread on my blog has highlighted what appears to be relevant information on EDL News (that’s anti-EDL news fyi) about the woman who was kicked on the ground after emerging from the coach through Tower Hamlets on Saturday evening.
Her name seems to be Joanne Dickens, or as the EDL label her, Angel Jo. Some angel. This is apparently her…before her jaw was broken. (Photo is copyright of BACPhotography – please get in touch with me if this is in breach.)
EDL News also have this screenshot of her Facebook page.
EDL News have also highlighted the EDL’s version of what happened. It’s here:
STATMENT: Tower Hamlets 03/09/11
– September 6, 2011Posted in: News
Fist off I’d like to make clear this is the events that took place on 03/09/11 and 04/09/11 are reported as viewed through my eyes, the coach had 45 people on it and some events may be viewed differently and/or some events were not witnessed by myself – i must also point out ‘all’ of the persons on the coach excluding Jo and the driver have been arrested and bailed so certain points i will not go into detail as this could harm investigations that are currently ongoing.
Ill start from the point of pick up on Tooley Street as our driver did not go to the designated parking that i told him to this lead to us traveling back as a lone coach instead of with other coaches heading north/M1, i don’t know London so i took my seat at the back of the coach and left the driver to take us home.
We must have been 20/30mins into the journey when we pulled up in traffic instantly we are all aware that we were in fact outside of a mosque on our right hand side(this has later been identified as east end mosque) – outside the mosque were about 40/50 Muslim men of all ages who recognised that we were EDL (on the travel in, we took the advice of no colours and flags but an anti sharia banner was taken from the demo and was put up in the coach window on the side of the mosque on the journey home, i was not aware of this until after) and instantly began shouting and banging the coach and in what seemed like seconds a window was broken on the left hand side, the driver then pulled away as the traffic moved but we were again stopped in less then 100yds and at this point we were surrounded by more ‘muslims’ this time from shops with the others running up from the mosque – now more windows were smashed and objects were entering through the open windows.
The driver then was able to drive away and we covered a much further distance before having to stop again – in this time i did a check on the passengers seeing who was injured only then was i made aware that Jo a female on our coach was not there – personally i was shocked and this must be a mistake and checked the toilets asked everyone to check the floor(fuck i even checked the roof…) but we couldn’t find her, her friend telephoned her and she said she was the other side of the mosque from us and had been attacked – at this point i asked everyone to stay on the coach and drive further up the road and i would go back for Jo – and i left the coach and moved down towards the mosque but even at this point more Muslims were gathering from the surrounding area – and it became clear the only option we had was to try and break through so i returned to the coach for more lads and we headed down towards the mosque – At this point i cannot include anymore information about the events as we have a ongoing police investigation against those that left the coach to rescue Jo, except to say that we were eventually forced back towards the coach by heavy numbers and unable to get to Jo.
Once we were back on the coach the driver informed us that the clutch was burned out and unable to move,we were sitting ducks and that’s when we were encircled with a estimated 1000 strong muslim group – video/images have been taken by ourselves and will be released – this onslaught continued for 5mins(it seemed like a lot longer) until what we believe was 150 riot police attended and pushed the Muslim group back.
A double decker bus was then sent to pick us up and we were moved onto it it then took at least 15mins to exit the area while still having objects thrown at us as the group of Muslims tried to block our exit with with bins, rubbish and even a sit down to block the road.
Once we were clear of the area(this is later explained to us as Tower Hamlets) that’s when the bizarre events took place with us being escorted all over London for about 2hrs under blue lights by what looked like 15 police vehicles till we eventually arrested and placed in cells – Now im no legal student but it seems very strange that persons that have been attacked (for some this has been a very traumatic experience) arenot counselled and asked to give a statement but instead are left to sit in cells for over 24hrs
Every person on the Coach was detained and interviewed and released on conditional bail while further investigations took place – At the point of writing this i believe that no Muslims were arrested over this incident.
Id like to personally thank the Met police for there swift response because i do believe if they would have been 5 minutes later we all would not have been here to tell the tale and also to everyone who supported us like Tommy & Kev, Tony Curtis and Tracie and everyone who helped to get the division home including Craig Leicester and Shaggy who traveled down to pick up the last 3.
My thanks extend to those that left the coach to rescue Jo every individual directly risked there life for a fellow EDL member and as such should be credited not perscicuted.
NSFE
Richard Nottingham
This is an account of what happened to the lovely Angel by someone who clearly enjoyed the violence.
And this is what happened:
However ugly, disgusting and repellant this woman appears to be, I’m not sure I could have kicked her in the face on the floor. Could you?
Those who saved her from worse punishment deserve the biggest applause of the day. They’re the shining examples and leaders. Well done.
I hope she has enough integrity to reflect and learn. But somehow I doubt it.
Spot on Ted, she’s no angel. In the following tweet discussion based on an article appearing in the Daily Mail about a muslim woman who was strangled in a freak accident by her headscarf, she says the following “hahahahaha serves her fuckin right, filthy flea ridden bitch.” She then goes on to say that she would have loved to have seen the video of the incident. http://twitpic.com/6gmkrq/full
The Storm front tattoo on her chest looks cool don’t you think?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormfront_(website)
Still, she doesn’t deserve to be kicked in the face. I wonder what she thinks of her new muslim heroes?
As some of you may know – I am not a very big supporter of some of Ted’s blogs and the angle he comes from, but the above is what I call a very balanced account.
None of this, as some are trying to make out, that view of this poor woman who was assualted, yes to many she being a woman (loosely term of woman used there) should not have got so severely beaten up, but the point is made by Ted clearly that she is no saint.
The irony of her comment, wanting to watch a video clip of the lady who dies in a freak accident and laugh…. that I hope will slap her around the face as 1000’s of people have been watching her, on the floor, being assaulted and most probably laughing.
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The phrase ‘looking like the back end of a bus’ comes to mind…
I agree Ted, I could not have kicked her in the face either, but I do feel that people – male or female – who choose to engage in this kind behaviour should not be surprised by the treatment they get.
As a local resident, I feel very strongly against the EDL coming to the area. While I oppose violence against someone who is ‘down’ I admit I feel zero sympathy to this vile woman. Reading the various stuff written about her, she comes across as someone who would quite happily do the same. In short, she deserved it.
@ Holly
Was there a pun intended anywhere there when you mentioned back end of a bus – seeming as they had to be escorted into a bus! : )
So lynch mob rule is OK in TH. Why didn’t you string her up it must be in the Koran somewhere?
Nah sorry Newspaniel
Nothing about stringing up – there is something on educating your enemy and making peace with them, but many people on that day decided to ignore that part of the Qur’an when it came to Angel Jo.
Yes for a ‘religion of peace’ it’s always associated with violence. I wonder why?
And for a religion that is the majority currently in the world, invading, killing innocent people and then pillaging the countries resources is always associated with it, I wonder why?
We can go all day long on this bell.
It’s one thing to have opinions; everyone has them, and having them is pretty normal. Show me someone who has no opinions and I’ll show you someone who is less than fully human.
It’s quite another thing to kick someone in the face, while they are lying on the floor, simply because their opinion differs to yours.
‘Angel Jo’ may be no angel (and it sounds like she is far from it) but her behaviour pales into utter insignificance besides that of those who attacked her. Do a couple of nasty comments on facebook deserve her being kicked in the face?
Utterly, utterly repugnant behaviour.
No Tim – comments on Facebook do not mean someone should be violently attacked you are correct, but when you had a choice of driving past the East London Mosque quietly and in a fairly stealthy way as the coach was tinted, but you then decide to put a pig mask on your face, poke your head out of the window when you have just stopped outside the Mosque and then start hurling abuse at worshippers…..
What can you say, the level of violence whether wrong or not, she or anyone, would have had the same happen to them.
The young locals were fired up, waiting for them to be lit up and a craggy troll of woman decided to do it.
Am I trying to make excuses for them no, am i trying to make it less one sided, yes.
Sheraz,
Thanks for coming on here to put the other side. Balance is important.
But … I don’t quite “get” your side of the story. I wasn’t there, but from what I’ve read it doesn’t ring true. Coach windows don’t open in my experience, so how could Jo have put her head out of one?
The account given by Nottm_Patriot (which you refer to as ‘very balanced’) isn’t explicit, but it certainly suggests that there was little offence given by the coach other than the anti-sharia banner in the side window. No mention of pig masks or shouted abuse.
I think your comment “The young locals were fired up, waiting for them to be lit up and a craggy troll of woman decided to do it” is most telling. My understanding is that ‘Islam’ means ‘Submission’, and claims to be a religion of peace; a bunch of ‘fired up young locals, waiting … to be lit up’ outside the mosque sounds like the opposite of this, and almost certainly the root of the problem. They got the fight they wanted, and to them a woman lying on the floor was fair game.
I’m also curious why her looks are in any way relevant, although some reference to burkhas seems implicit.
Tim
Tim
Windows have flaps, also wen though the windows are tinted, as the no sharia banner could be seen through it, so could a gesticulating wild boar of a woman.
Secondly – when racists are threatening to come to a part if town who actually do not have many open supporters and specifically state they want to protest outside the Mosque, everyone would be angry waiting to be lit up.
Step away from the whole Islam is meant to mean submission etc, these are young teenagers, who on a normal day can start a fight with others over trivial things, but the EDL gave them a a cause that they could put their local postcode differences aside and retaliate to any threat from those who would verbally and physically abuse their lonely mothers or sisters on the bus or the tube.
It was the same mentality when rioters came to whitechapel and tried to smash a take away shop, the same type of local youths threatened and chased them away.
There is great pride within the young of TH of the nature of “you can do that crap where you’re from, but not down here”
The EDL don’t belong here, just like the BNP didn’t and moved their base from Bethnal Green many years ago.
You think people of the east end will allow another group like that come here, abuse people and get away with???
So I hope you understand that religion aside, they came and went, some however whether you can function the process of how a coach window works, decided to encite and got what they got.
End
Even more repugnant are her own calls for violence. I’m sure if it were an immigrant woman (or man) being kicked by EDLers this woman would have joined in. There’s something called karma: you get what your deserve.
She had her “My Name is Earl” moment!!!
Although I agree with the points in various comments here, I’m disappointed that several posts here make blithe jokes about her looks or add descriptions of her looks as if that adds to anything.
What she looks like is irrelevant. She could be Helen of Troy in terms of looks and despite the outer beauty the ugliness of her character would still shine through.
If it were an EDL bloke (none of whom look like George Clooney) there’d be no mention of the scale of attractiveness.
It actually takes away a bit from the points that people are making if they add in easy, cheap incidental insults. You can do better – there’s enough material already to work with.
That this is not an excuse for the violence towards her, but it is worth baring in mind that EDL News has since found out that she has done time on a number of occasions for violence herself, bragging that she had a fight with a girl and ripped part of her chest off the last time.
We are also not convinced that she was assaulted in the first place. We were in two minds yesterday but after seeing that laughable statement they released yesterday we are in the mind that she opened the door to yell racist abuse, fell out and then banged her jaw through being drunk (see video on our site).
I guess we will never know the truth though.
Cheers EDL News
Gary Moon (@edlnews) *We are also not convinced that she was assaulted in the first place.*
Since there is video evidence from witnesses elsewhere on this blog that a serious assault did take place, I would say you are in what those who deal with mentalists call “denial”.
Incidentally, is it true you get most of your material from BNP shills?
EDL leader Tommy Robinson has publicly stated that when a member of the EDL is identified as racist they are removed from the ‘organisation’. Will this happen to Joanne Dickens?
No. He’ll issue a statement claiming she was never an EDL member in the first place.
The EDL have this cloak of excuse they use all the time which goes a little like this:
EDL ‘members’ are the one who stick to the no racism rule, those who are racist are only EDL ‘supporters’.
They continue to say that they have no control over EDL supporters just their members.
Which is the biggest amount of tripe I have heard – but this is what will be said. If they have officially stated she is a member, then lets see if their boss, who is currently on hunger strike in jail (I like to think he is taking after the month of Ramadhan and fasting because it funny) gives the orders to do this???
“EDL ‘members’ are the one who stick to the no racism rule, those who are racist are only EDL ‘supporters’.”
Yes, this is indeed the default message. However, what with all the internal EDL discord I’ll be interested to see how Luton’s answer to Marion Dunlop attempts to triangulate once he’s back on the sausage rolls.
Ted, as a journalist, can you now get to the truth, as so far, the whole EDL coach episode is drifting on a slick of internet accusations and inaccuracies.
Perhaps start with Silverdale Coaches? Their driver has not been charged so they could make a statement. It is now being said that the sat nav was responsible for the detour to Whitechapel. (No right turn down Wapping Highway from Tower Bridge, so forcing them to go up to Aldgate?? And then East??) Strange he needed sat nav when he is the same driver who got them there. The driver should give his account of what happened with the banner and then the emergency door exit/toilet and if anyone came onto the coach or left it.
Then the EDL “Statment”: ‘we suddenly found ourselves in traffic outside the East London Mosque’. What a co-incidence and they don’t know this Mosque, do they, having never had placards at other demonstrations with the ELM named on them? Another co-incidence that the Mosque is the same side of the coach that the anti-sharia banner is displayed (once they drew back the inside curtains)? So people outside the ELM ‘bang and shout’ – but it’s the other side of the coach where “a window was broken”?! [Note this covers people outside breaking it or the passengers inside breaking it.]
The traffic allows the coach to get another “100 yards” before stopping, when it gets more windows smashed and objects thrown in, by ‘muslim’ shopkeepers and men from the ELM. OK, this may be true, but is there any filmed evidence of this second stop where “more windows were smashed” around Vallance Rd lights/Whitechapel Market?
Then, the driver gets “much further” and stops again (a third time) and “Jo” is missing – found by phone, “attacked”, and back at the Mosque. EDL Richard gets out and then back in, and then a rescue party returns by foot to the Mosque, but are turned back by “heavy numbers”. And all the while the coach is waiting?? And no-one has any video of this?? The coach meanwhile breaks down and then they are “surrounded by a 1,000 strong muslim group.” Later photos and YouTube videos reveal that the broken down coach is actually at Stepney Green, on Mile End Road – nearly a mile from the East London Mosque.
On Joanne Dickens, there is nothing in this statement about her being in the coach toilet, or “muslims” getting onto the coach (via the emergency exit?) and dragging her out of the toilet, or her being dragged out of the emergency exit or the emergency exit being in the toilet. Nor her hanging out of the exit, falling out. She’s just missing after exception was taken to the “anti-sharia banner.”
The web is now piling up with allegations: she’s got a fractured jaw/a fractured cheekbone/fractured ribs/bruises from being attacked while on the “floor”? (floor? she is on the road in the video – so it’s the floor of the coach?) and this was done on the coach/in the toilet/on the road? Or she fell out the emergency door?, and either received the face injuries (whatever they are) there (or not) and then was kicked by an attacker who is Muslim/UAF….(the short glimpse of Ms Dickens being kicked from behind, as it appears, must swiftly have been followed by her being removed from the road as you can see a silver car pulling out from behind the coach to drive around.)
(The journalist, Jules Mattsson, who was sprayed with lighter fluid and burned on Saturday – that Sheraz wrote about – has a twitpic hospital discharge statement with the police medic named. Would have imagined that Ms Dickens was seen by a police medic that night when being questioned prior to not being charged. Or she has similar proof of medical treatment?)
I won’t call myself ‘anon’ anymore, as this has been used by other commenters in the last 3 days – but thanks Ted for taking up my ‘anon’ comment and creating this post. Perhaps local residents have unseen video or photos or accounts of the EDL coach story and will add them here.
Rather than indulge in revisionist speculation like Anon-no-longer I’d like to present some links to videos of the actual events:
The Initial Attack on the Coach
Note the youth in black who runs up and strikes the coach windows with something heavy, the second time smashing one – not the other way round.
I’m getting tired of these guys, but their account is useful. They refer to two seperate acts of violence on Ms. Dixon. A punch in the face and a kick from the rear, so no need for speculation on her injuries.
Here is part of the attack, which happened as the coach pulls away. Also a slo-mo version where you can actually see a heavy in blue kicking her from behind.
The coach breaks down and is attacked again just past Stepney Green tube.
This is the large Ocean Estate which is mainly Bengali. A mob of 1000, probably not but lots of agressive youths.
This is Syeds version of the transfer from wrecked coach to commandeered bus.
Note the so-called “anti-fascist” Agent Provocateur making a bad situation worse.
More local F@ckwits tried to block the EDL at the “Green Bridge” and had to be baton charged out of the way.
This is how the story ends, some idiots chasing an empty coach
What I haven’t seen are any videos of the Nottingham EDLers being provocative (gesturing, swearing etc) or allegedly on the rampage along Whitechapel/Mile End Roads. Anyone got any links?
*CORRECTION* This is how the story ends, some idiots chasing an empty coach
What I haven’t seen are any videos of the Nottingham EDLers being provocative (gesturing, swearing etc) or allegedly on the rampage along Whitechapel/Mile End Roads. Anyone got any links?
Ted She was Kicked off the bus by the EDL fact
also the Bus went directly to the Mosque and they tried to disembark
also the bus windows were smashed by the drunken yobs on the Bus from the INSIDE look for yourself
@ c
How do you know she was kicked off the bus by the EDL?
Also that the bus went directly to the Mosque?
Are you a witness? Know something that you could contribute here?
Since the Whitechapel Road, where the initial attack on the yellow coach took place, has more cctv cameras than any other is this part of London (plus the coverage from shop based systems) the truth is probably already in the Mets hands. I’ve already disproved your porkpie about the coach window (see vids above). Perhaps you ought to start another rumour about Ms Dixon being sent out to buy 40 halal chicken kebabs.
*correction* Ms Dickens
I’ve never been a fan of the niqab but in this case …….
@ BLUE DWARF
Your *CORRECTION* only shows what some people here already knew (and saw): the coach did not break down. So the EDL’s “clutch was burned out” is a lie. Thanks for the video proof, Blue Dwarf.
Of course no-one would want to drive a coach to Nottingham with busted windows (and carrying an “anti sharia banner”?) so perhaps this explains this:
And before that:
This is from a post here: http://towerhamletsalarm.wordpress.com/
And an EDL supporter, “Arthur”, usefully replies on Joanne Dickens ‘rescue’:
CCTV on the coach! Of course. And the charges won’t stick against the EDL coach passengers because the CCTV on the coach will prove ….everything!
Ted, please put a call in to Silverdale Tours as it appears they have the proof. This coach company need to vindicate themselves and their driver and prove what actually happened in Tower Hamlets and what our involvement was in the EDL’s ‘coach trip’ to our borough on September 3rd.
Can you also ask Silverdale Tours why they are claiming it was the sat nav that sent the driver East? Put Tooley Street to Nottingham into Google Maps Driving Directions and the route goes west. If he had gone over Tower Bridge, he should have gone left past the Tower, down to Big Ben and west up and through to the M1 – so scenic for those ‘patriots’ too.
Some more pictures of the coach when parked up at Mile End opposite the Ocean Estate. Note Joanne Dickens in a couple of shots talking on the phone by the Mile End snooker club: http://www.demotix.com/photo/820221/edl-coach-attacked-stepney-green-london
Another set with good shots of the coach (again in Mile End opposite the Ocean Estate). Can’t see how anyone could have been dragged out of the right side of the coach – those windows must be more than six feet off the ground. http://www.demotix.com/news/816315/edl-coach-attacked-near-mosque-london
@G
The photos are revealing. Especially the one of Joanne Dickens – in Mile End. The EDL say she was last on their coach at Whitechapel, near East London Mosque. But here she is in Mile End and not so injured by a fractured jaw or fractured cheekbone that she can’t chat on the phone. This photo supports recent tweets about Joanne Dickens:
“According to police report needed no hospital treatment…”
“..her jaw is fine. She’s on bail for breech of peace n public disorder..”
She was not punched by anyone. She did get a kick up the arse though.. Muslim Imam helped her.”
“The EDL broke the window from inside, all 44 of them were arrested and charged. None are allowed to contact each other now”
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The second photo of the coach at Mile End confirms what a few people are saying anecdotally: that the coach windows facing the road were not smashed until after the riot vans and police escort left. Look above the vans parked up alongside: the coach windows are intact. The EDL’s Statement describes a “1000 strong muslim group” encircling the coach. Again the numerous videos, and the photos you also link to, show a group stuck on the far side of the road, behind the railings of the Ocean Estate, and with police and vans between them and the coach. All that is happening is heckling.
Then we see a picture of the coach with no vans and no police in front of it – and the windows are broken. Perhaps the coach windows were broken after the EDL had been decanted onto the bus? Interestingly, the EDL statement doesn’t say the windows were broken by this “group” in Mile End.
(On the high windows, Joanne Dickens is not claiming she was dragged out of a window but either she was in the coach toilet and was dragged out or the emergency exit was in the toilet. There is a emergency exit door further along on that side, and it is lower down.)
When I get a chance and I’m not doing the job that pays my mortgage I’ll look into this in more detail but I’m not sure what you’re getting at.
The comment by Blue Dwarve at 7.01am on 9/9 contains a YouTube video; between 19 and 20 secs, it’s clear that the window of the coach was smashed by someone on the road opposite the Jagonari Centre at 193 Whitechapel Road. Presumably the police and council CCTV cameras will identify that individual.
The second video in that post shows the woman on the ground, again opposite the Jagonari. The coach then drives off.
The later photos of Dickens outside the Mile End Snooker Club by Stepney Green Tube about a mile away suggest she was taken there by the police and was waiting under escort while the EDL were taken off their coach and put on the 105 bus.
Firstly I now have pictures of Jo Dickens being escorted towards a police van in Whitechapel Road opposite the Royal London Hospital. You can view it at the Facebook page of the “Muslim Defence League”. In fact the MDL are claiming it was one of their people who “rescued” her from the mob – not impossible as the “rescuer” was a counter-demo steward recruited at the Mosque.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?filter=lf#!/MDL.Muslim.Defence.League
Here is video of her earlier talking to an arrested EDLer. She is hardly the monster that the UAF want to portray (maybe a bit needy, but at least she stuck around to keep him company) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4KdhFkr1Ns&feature=related.
Now the original attack on the coach took place in Whitechapel, this is were Ms Dickens fell/jumped/was dragged from an emergency exit and where she was picked up by the Police. Stepney Green/Mile End are a good mile & a half further down the Mile End Road. Why would the Police drag an injured woman (has anyone disputed her broken upper jaw) into an area of disorder and just let her wander about. Gandhi’s is only a few dozen yards from where the coach was getting bricked?
Has HM been playing silly buggers with “PhotieShop”? http://www.demotix.com/users/hm/profile
This seems like a mis-information operation. G (is that G for Gullible by the way) are you willing to back this “alternative reality”?
Good point about the coach (I’d initially thought it was towed, but I rechecked). I also thought the “breakdown” was diplomatic, its unfortunate it was in front of the Ocean Estate. In this case the EDL are not liars, they were misinformed. Of course the coach (aka Crime scene) could have been repaired (at least temporarily) before being driven to some secure compound south of the River.
As for CCTV coverage, if you regularly transport football away supporters, let alone the EDL -you have pinhole cameras. Its no longer unlikely. The entire LT bus fleet has had them for years! The satnav theory assumes they were heading directly home. If they were rendezvousing at Hainaut (the original point from which allegedly they were to be tubed into C.London -SatNav say East!.
Interestingly (and we have known this for wuite a while now, the EDL are well and truly in bed with white supremecists/nazis Red Watch.
The two chaps who made the video have been identified and will now be subjected to violence and harrasment outside their workplace
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=132531&page=2
I do not agree with what happened to the woman (and am in serious doubt whether it did happen) but she went to London looking to stir up trouble so they should not whine wand hen trouble finds them.
@Gary Moon (@edlnews)
-* I do not agree with what happened to the woman (and am in serious doubt whether it did happen)???????? but she went to London looking to stir up trouble so they should not whine when trouble finds them. *-
What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the ganders. Red Watch will just have to get in line. They are already being chased by the EDL for obvious reasons; the UAF for making them look like c@nts; the MDL ditto; even the Animal Rights Brigade fo what they said about kicking dogs.
Frankly my best advice to Ben and Anthony is to volunteer as human shields for Hamas in Gaza against the IDF. Much safer.
….and the Police probably want them as Material Witnesses.
@Ted
The commenter G has linked to photos of the coach when it was at Stepney Green/Mile End. The window smashing video you are referring to is from earlier, at Whitechapel. It is also on the other side of the coach than the side we are referring to. Perhaps for clarity we should just say left side window smashed at Whitechapel either by occupants or outsiders – and right hand side windows x2 smashed at Mile End. There is no video I’ve seen of the windows being smashed at Mile End, but it does seem reasonable to believe it was done after the police line and riot vans shielding the coach, had departed.
The yobbo’s on the Ocean Estate are a brave bunch, bricking an empty coach. Or was it that so-called foul mouthed Anti-Fascist in the dodgy shorts shouting abuse in the previous youtube video.
Blue Dwarve/Dwarf –
Are you accusing the photographer on Demotix who uploaded his photos of Joanne Dickens at Stepney Green, Mile End Road as having photo-shopped Joanne Dickens into his two Stepney Green/Mile End Road shots?
You are just unbelievable.
Even your own link here to the (earlier) Muslim Defence League photo of Joanne Dickens shows her being walked by the police and her rescuer(?), past the Royal London Hospital Whitechapel and obviously on up to Stepney Green, to reunite her with her EDL coach. Besides this being stupid (as the MDL photo you linked to shows Dickens ambulant and un-injured) – it is disgusting that you are also maligning the commenter ‘G’ by saying ‘G’ is suggesting that the police dragged Joanne Dickens from Whitechapel to Stepney Green and placed her in an “area of disorder.” It also maligns the police.
What else were the police supposed to do with Joanne Dickens when they and the MDL had retrieved her from her coach exit? Leave her at Whitechapel? The police walked her the mile (less probably, and certainly not a “mile and a half” as you have exaggerated) back to the coach she was on. She wasn’t injured as the MDL photo shows – indeed the police are walking her past Whitechapel Hospital – and they did not drag her, injured or not, to an area of disorder. She is photographed casually making a call at Stepney Green, with other onlookers outside the pool hall and a police officer is also photographed on the pavement near her, shielding her. (And as it is becoming apparent, the “disorder” started later, after the police and the EDL evacuated the area.)
Ah, but the photographs of Joanne Dickens at Stepney Green are fraudulent and photo-shopped aren’t they Dwarf?
This is a serious accusation against the photographer: http://www.demotix.com/users/hm/profile
About these two photographs which can now be titled JOANNE DICKENS IN STEPNEY GREEN:
http://www.demotix.com/photo/820220/edl-coach-attacked-stepney-green-london
http://www.demotix.com/photo/820221/edl-coach-attacked-stepney-green-london
Demotix make these photos available for sale as authentic (ie not photo-shopped), so you are accusing them of accepting inauthentic images? Possibly then selling inauthentic images, i.e. doctored photos, to the media? Ted, as a journalist, you will know how serious this charge of Blue Dwarve’s is against this photographer and against Demotix.
Blue Dwarve/Dwarf, you just cannot accept the proof. So you malign and smear everyone who doesn’t fit into your EDL-promoting agenda. Even the police who have been photographed at Whitechapel and at Stepney Green protecting this woman. Why are you so concerned with this woman and EDL Member? Who is Joanne Dickens – your “Esmerelda Weatherwax”?
I would be concerned about anyone attacked and beaten on the streets of Tower Hamlets in the aftermath of a political protest. Everything I have contributed in these blogs of “Trial By Duty” is to try and get the facts and the chronology of this woeful incident.
I find it bizarre that the Police took her a mile & a half from Whitechapel to Stepney Green. However since she may have refused medical treatment and wanted to escape our wonderful Borough it is possible this was the case. Just because she was able to walk to the police van does not mean she was uninjured. We know of the report she was hit twice. If she was not as badly assaulted as first thought that is good news (for the reputation of local people as well as her).
With the amount of Mis-information and Black Propaganda that has occurred in the last week I believe in the old saying “Believe Nothing, Question Everything”.
@ Blue Dwarve/Dwarf
1. This blog is called Trial By Jeory not “Trial By Duty.” Why can’t you get Ted’s name right?
2. What “report” has Joanne Dickens being hit twice? If this is the police report, please tell us. Otherwise it could be a report from the Dingly Dell news desk – or wherever the Smurfs live.
3. You can find Joanne Dickens’ documented presence at Stepney Green as “bizarre” as you like: it still does not make your allegation of doctored photographs of her (on Demotix) true.
4. The “Mis-information and Black Propaganda” is all coming from you.
@onan-no-more 7:55pm 12/09/11. 1). Blame Spell Check. 2) The report by these two “anti-Fascist Vloggers, Ben & Anthony – who witnessed the attack and seemed to have got a real “buzz” out of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJcG2C22okE&feature=watch_response 3). If the Police intended to re-unite her with the other Nottingham EDL members, they might well have taken her to Stepney Green. In fact I visited the exact area yesterday and the Snooker Hall and Gandhi’s Cash & Carry where she was shown is only a few tens of metres from the location of the Yellow Coach attacked by dimwitted locals opposite the Ocean Estate.
And of course NO ONE on the scumbag loony- Left would ever think of playing sillybuggers with Photo-shop to degrade this woman or create black propaganda.
http://twitpic.com/6h35sb/full
I always find that Truth is the Best Propaganda.
@G on September 12, 2011 at 1:20 pm
The East London Mosque to QMC Bancroft Road where the EDL coach was ambushed is 1.2 miles on Google Maps. Which is not a big distance to cover unless you’re encountering Mosque encited locals, UAF thugs or “random drunken blackmen”.
Joanna Dickens is no-ones idea of a poster-girl, not Tommy Robinson or Alan Lake’s and certainly not mine. However we all know that if a Church going, Surrey born Charity worker who looked like a younger Joanna Lumley had tumbled from the EDL coach while it was under attack, she would have been bashed, bashed because thats what Islamist bigots and UAF bully-boys do.
Angel Jo is as my Grandmother would have said “no better than she ought to be”. Sadly I suspect that she is probably more typical of the “White Working Class” in the East Midlands than the Secular, Liberal Elitists would like. Perhaps if she continues to march with people who carry Banners that read “Black & White Unite to Fight Sharia Law” and are happy to unfurl the Star of David along with the Cross of St.George her political education will be complete.
@Anon-no-more September 12, 2011 at 9:17 pm
Baruk Khazâd! Khazâd ai-mênu *tsk*, asking Ted to look it up because you are too idle to google it yourself. Here is a link as a clue: http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Khuzdul_words
“Axes of the Dwarves! The Dwarves are upon you!”
It is really up to you to clarify your position. Will you denounce the MAC’s desecration of the Memorial Service for the British victims of 9/11? Will you denounce their aims to enforce Sharia Law and establish a Worldwide Caliphate? Will you stand up against their anti-Semitic, bigotted opinions? Would you join with moderate anti-Islamists to protest outside their offices and rallies, work to isolate them from the rest of the Community and prevent them indoctrinating naïve youths with their brand of fate?
The stabbing of the two EDLers is now established fact. Here is a picture from obsessive anti-EDL twitterer @everythingedl, showing one. Obviously the knifing was not that serious:
http://twitpic.com/6kglrc
Incidentally The Tyburn IS at the Marble Arch end of Edgware Road
http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/pubs/the-tyburn
Some of the pictures of EDLers confronting Muslims Against Crusade heavies were further up near the Edgware Road near the Circle & District line tube.
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Incidentally Anon-no-more if you want to check out Esmerelda Weatherwax’s most recent blog about the EDL March (since she obsesses you so much) I’ve added a link on Ted’s blog entry “EDL and Tower Hamlets: Peter Tatchell’s thoughts”
Hope you are getting together your arguments and Apologias as to why those two EDL boys who were stabbed in Marble Arch by MAC deserved it.
Baruk Khazâd! Khazâd ai-mênu!
@ anon-no-more
Yeah, you’re quite right – JD’s story (as reported by EDL News) is the dragged out of the toilet one. There was some activity on twitter and elsewhere immediately following the incident that suggested the EDL on the coach were shouting abuse out of open windows, and some wondered whether she came off the coach out of a window – but there’s no suggestion of any of that now.
@ Blue Dwarve
Frankly I’m not particularly interested in getting into conversation with someone looking to whitewash Jo “fuck all u dirty imagrant, muslim, paki, foreign cunts” Dickens. So let’s just say that in the fullness of time the police should be able to confirm whether or not they transported JD the 0.7 miles from outside the Royal London to just past Stepney Green Station and none of us will have to speculate about “misinformation operations”.
Blue Dwarf…
I have no idea what that last sentence says. Should Ted put it into Babel to get a translation – to ensure you are adhering to his Comments Policy? (Or do you know what it says, Ted?)
On your “EDL boys who were stabbed” – why would you want me to argue or apologise for this? And how dare you say that I would argue they “deserved it” and I would apologise for MAC. This is just madness. I see why ‘G’ has bowed out from engaging with you and your “Mis-information and Black Propaganda.”
Why don’t you get some facts (as you argue you want for the Joanne Dickens story?) There is information out there on your “EDL boys”. Just tell you this though, it wasn’t in Marble Arch, it was outside Wetherspoon’s on the Edgware Road, says the photos on Demotix….oh,oh, more doctored photos? And some recent information (this evening) on the Hope Not Hate blog:
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/1394/lager-lies-and-missing-knives#.Tm5HDs5wh9A.twitter
@ Blue Dwarf
Threatening me with: “Axes of the Dwarves! The Dwarves are upon you!” and repeatedly referring to the stabbings on Edgware Road is too much.
It obviously does not contravene Ted’s Comments Policy, but I think it is menacing and threatening.
Ted is going to write on Joanne Dickens and the EDL coach incident, as he has promised. He will no doubt get to look at the police report, witness statements, coach CCTV and documentary evidence. I think in the face of your veiled threats, someone else better get to the facts and the truth of the EDL coach incident and Joanne Dickens. Ted is better placed and protected against this sort of intimidation.